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Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

maz — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:02:00 -0000

Well done Stacey THANKYOU for setting the record straight and helping us in the Body of Christ to understand that WE ALL have a responsibility to grow in maturity in love.
For reminding us that this call to walk in the Glory of God is OUR call corporate and that Todd and Shonnah as high profile leaders have an invitation to respond here as we all do regarding whether or not we will align with God and humble ourselves to acknowledge that WE DESPERATELY NEED TRANSFORMATION OF HEART to enter into the fulness of His call to us....us who observe resonate with: "there but for the GRACE of God go we ALL"
THANKYOU for exhorting us to PRAY and RESPOND in LOVE and PURITY of heart to intercede for them and for the us all as a Body that we may GROW UP IN HIM and fulfill the destiny on our generation to walk in the gifts/annointing and the GLORY of God. AS WE SUBMIT to God's refining fires of PURIFICATION sent and designed to root out EVERYTHING that separates us from oneness with Him and one another (Jn 17) we take heed to this disciplinary action of the Lord knowing that we ALL have areas of our lives that need to be refined and purged in order for us to reflect HIS GLORY in a way of which HE IS WORTHY. God help us as we seek to respond in humility and the fear of the Lord - may this example of a leader in the Body of Christ be the beginning of WISDOM to us all - the wisdom of humility and obedience and a surrendered life THAT HE WOULD RECEIVE HIS INHERITANCE IN AND THROUGH US FOR HIS GLORY!

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

maz — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:47:30 -0000

Well done Stacey THANKYOU for setting the record straight and helping us in the Body of Christ to understand that WE ALL have a responsibility to grow in maturity in love.
For reminding us that this call to walk in the Glory of God is OUR call corporate and that Todd and Shonna as high profile leaders have an invitation to respond here as we all do regarding whether or not we will align with God and humble ourselves to acknowledge that WE DESPERATELY NEED TRANSFORMATION OF HEART to enter into the fulness of His call to us....us who observe resonate with: "there but for the GRACE of God go we ALL"
THANKYOU for exhorting us to PRAY and RESPOND in LOVE and PURITY of heart to intercede for them and for the us all as a Body that we may GROW UP IN HIM and fulfill the destiny on our generation to walk in the gifts/annointing and the GLORY of God. AS WE SUBMIT to God's refining fires of PURIFICATION sent and designed to root out EVERYTHING that separates us from oneness with Him and one another (Jn 17) we take heed to this disciplinary action of the Lord knowing that we ALL have areas of our lives that need to be refined and purged in order for us to reflect HIS GLORY in a way of which HE IS WORTHY. God help us as we seek to respond in humility and the fear of the Lord - may this example of a leader in the Body of Christ be the beginning of WISDOM to us all - the wisdom of humility and obedience and a surrendered life THAT HE WOULD RECEIVE HIS INHERITANCE IN AND THROUGH US FOR HIS GLORY!

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

Bud Press — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:47:46 -0000

"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God" (2 Peter 1:20-21).

"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

The Emrys — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:31:13 -0000

I agree with Kathi about the Todd Bentley prophecy. What if Todd comes back fully repentant and on fire? The prophecy is only unfulfilled if this doesn't happen. Even then it isn't necessarily "false" since prophecy is the mind of the Lord and subject to people being obedient in walking it out.

I am betting that Todd will come back. Yes, go ahead and shoot me for gambling...

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:29:30 -0000

Craig, my Bible says "God of fortresses" in that verse (I use NKJV). So I looked it up in the KJV/Strongs at Crosswalk. That word "forces" (Ma`owz) in the KJV means -
place or means of safety, protection, refuge, stronghold

1. place of safety, fastness, harbour, stronghold
2. refuge (of God) (fig.)
3. human protection (fig.)

That really has nothing at all to do with the way we use the word "forces" today.

Back up a few verses - start reading at verse 29, through the end. In context that verse takes on a different meaning than I think you're inferring. That passage also talks about how the people who know God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits :)

Given my background in the occult, I embrace the real as shown in Scripture - not the counterfeit. I do not reject God because the devil tries to mimic Him - why would I?

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

CraigD — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:45:58 -0000

Sorry, I did not mean to italicize the last paragraph.

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

CraigD — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:44:25 -0000

kathi,

Thank you, your apology is accepted. Keith Gibson wrote the article. I agree with his stance on the issue. Modern 'spiritual warfare' as outlined in this article is unbiblical -- the Bible being my authority. I also agree with the Thelemic's stance especially as he noted the hypocracy or ignorance of Christians when they malign him when they are using this same 'force.'

38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. [Daniel 11:38 KJV]

Given your background as an occultist, do you not see that this man [his given name is Scott] is speaking truth in his comment on that thread regarding this? In all honesty you cannot deny that, can you?

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:31:33 -0000

Craig, I don't know what you know or don't know. I apologize, I shouldn't have worded it that way.

If you know something about the subject at hand, then please discuss it in the authority Christ died to give you, rather than appealing to someone else's authority.

You're using the thelemic guy's opinion to bolster Keith's relative level of authority on the subject. ::shrugs:: It doesn't matter to me... but it should with you.

I was an occultist for ten years (and in some ways for my whole life until I was saved). I didn't "study" it, I lived it. I read the Bible and it's my plumb line - that's why I embrace Jesus and all the good things He desires to give us.

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

CraigD — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:14:38 -0000

Regarding your 1 & 2 above, I posted my very scriptural view re prophecy on the other Bentley thread here:

http://r180.com/blog/blog/2008/09/11/todd-bentl...

It's rather presumptuous of you to say I know nothing of the subject, isn't it? How would you know? My appeal is to the Lord through His Word which is to be our plumb line.

On your #3, the "Thelemic guy" is merely agreeing with Pastor Keith Gibson's post. I agree with Keith having studied New Age and Theosophy myself.

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:54:51 -0000

Sure, but since it's WAY out of context with the blog post we're commenting on, I will write about it on my own blog.

Link: http://iamhealed.net/2008/09/17/laid-down-lover/

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:34:04 -0000

Craig, first of all, it sounds like you're basing belief of whether someone has heard from the Lord or not on your own personal prejudices, not on what Scripture actually SAYS about prophecy.

Secondly, if you don't know anything about the subject yourself, why are you out here talking about it? Appeals to authority (other than the Lord) *really* don't move me or impress me.

Thirdly, I'm shocked that a Christian would accept judgment of other Christians from an occultist (I'm sure the Thelemic guy is getting a HOOT out of the scrambling Christians, too.)

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

CraigD — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:30:10 -0000

kathi,

a radical laid down lover of Jesus

Can you explain this to me -- especially the 'laid down' part?

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

CraigD — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:14:18 -0000

kathi,

These 'prophets' claimed God said to Todd "I'm going to use you in a big way." I personally don't believe they are prophets of God.

Regarding your question below, if you read my article it answers it.

I would really like your take on the following. Here's post by Keith Gibson reposted on another site with a response from a ritual magick practitioner and Thelemic who said Keith (who lives in KC near IHOP) was correct in his analysis. It speaks of occultic roots of some of the charismatic beliefs:

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/200...

Here is 'Ananael Qaa's response in a post in his own site:

http://ananael.blogspot.com/2008/09/christian-w...

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:01:13 -0000

I should add that it's interesting that Bud hasn't found anyone new to pick on but he's still focused on Todd. I invited him to label me a heretic but last time I checked I wasn't mentioned on his site.

(I *am* a heretic - Not only am I a radical laid down lover of Jesus, I also speak in tongues, I'm a pastor, I prophesy, and <gasp> I *like* Todd Bentley! Those things tend to make one a heretic in Bud's book (which reads quite a bit different from mine...))

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:58:26 -0000

God said - to Todd, through prophets - "I'm gonna use you in a big way." How, exactly, does that elevate Todd to the same level as Jesus Christ?

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

CraigD — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:32:58 -0000

kathisharpe,

Bud wrote:

Furthermore, it attempted to elevate Todd Bentley to the same level as Jesus Christ.

This is true and so did Georgian Banov who followed her. I wrote an article here on Banov:

http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/george...

There is only one true anointing -- the Holy Spirit indwelling -- but there are counterfeits [1 John 2:27].

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:39:31 -0000

CraigD, I'm sorry.

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

r180 — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:15:25 -0000

A key responsibility for believers is to hear God, and to respond. This is revelation that is for every believer. It can be as simple as saying, "I feel God wants me to do this or that." We must sense God's heart, hear his voice, see what he sees and respond accordingly. Often times God will reveal steps to take, messages to preach, places to go and words to give. It's for every believer. To live without revelation of God's day-to-day, moment-to-moment insight for us is to live dangerously.

johnburton
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Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

CraigD — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:07:44 -0000

kathisharpe,

I agree with Bud Press.

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:05:47 -0000

Stacey Campbell's prophecy will only be "false" if Todd dies before it comes to pass.

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

kathisharpe — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:48:55 -0000

Bud, I'm not sure you'll find anyone to agree with you, no matter where you go my friend...

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

willjenkins — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:22:24 -0000

John, I want to take you to task a bit. The verse you quote about we should all prophesy is taken out of context to me. You need to throw in the rest of the passage to bring clear understanding to what Paul was actually referring to. He was trying to convey to the Corinthians that they should want to do what was best for the body. They all, from all study I have done, wanted to speak in tongues and Paul was correcting them and saying that they would do more good for the body to prophesy. Speaking thousands of words in tongues with no interpretation is pretty much worthless except for your own edification.

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

r180 — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:19 -0000

Were you ever there? I can't see how anybody could say that Jesus wasn't the center. He was preached very, very well. Remember, the greater Christ is the center, the greater the power. I believe we'll see a day come when we shout the name "Jesus Christ"! And, we will all fall over as dead as He manifests in power. We'll just lay there for a few hours under His influence and just minister to Him.

Do consider, however, that different moves of God have different thrusts. Yes, Christ must always be the center. But, that doesn't mean that an event is to always be teaching driven. For example, there are many events that are filled with worship. You can go to a worship concert and just dance and shout and cry and lay on your face before the Lord all night long. Also, there may be prayer meetings. People intercede for the nations.

Any meeting will certainly have the Word threaded through it... in the worship songs, in the prayer, etc. But, it's possible to have an event without a standard 'sermon'. If Todd takes a night and just prays for everybody and mentions an angelic encounter, that doesn't mean he's off base.

johnburton
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Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

CraigD — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:47:55 -0000

Well, I'm not so sure as the claim was that the Holy Spirit's presence was there yet there was an audible/visible lack of any preaching or proclaiming the Word. There were times when lip service was paid; but, the real 'show' was the power of the 'angels.' The Holy Spirit points to Jesus [John 15:26] while convicting of sin [John 16:8] and will not 'speak' on His own [John 16:13-14].

Re: Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word

r180 — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:35:09 -0000

Yep and yep!

johnburton
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