DISQUS

jstephan · 1 year ago

To be honest, I said some things when I first heard about Todd and his wife separating that were not in a spirit of grace, but out of a place of hurt. I would love grace to cover my hastily made accusations. I want to extend grace to Todd as well.

For the most part, I'm with Rick Joyner on this. I think a great good will come out of the Lakeland Outpouring, even more so now that Todd has needed to step down to take care of family. I think the way that we handle this will have a dramatic impact on the appearance of the church and our impact in the world.

I just pray that unity presides above all.

david · 1 year ago

Save us, oh God. In Your wrath, remember mercy. Have the people no discernment in that they follow these men as Joyner and Bentley and an host of other self appointed leaders?
As a brother once said (who has crossed over the Jordan already before us) "....the lost leading the lost into a lost eternity"
But we are bound to give thanks to God for His promise that His sheep will hear His voice and the voice of a stranger we will not follow!

pam · 1 year ago

What does Rick Joyner think of Peter Wagner's recent comments about Todd Bentley?

“First of all, Todd has been removed from public ministry until further notice. He has resigned from the ministry he founded, Fresh Fire, so he is no longer a part of that board. It has become clear that he indulged in periodic drunkenness. He has no intention at the moment of reconciling with Shonna, nor does she with him. Their marriage has been torn for years by his emotional attachment with at least one other female whose physical contact went beyond hugging and kissing and holding hands. Enough said-maybe more details will be revealed later-but it was clearly immoral. All of this was skillfully concealed by lying and by swearing close associates who had observed his behavior to secrecy.”

Read his full statement dated August 25, 2008 at . http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/update...

firedancer · 1 year ago

Thank you Mr. Joyner. I find it refrshing that a mature man of God seeks to extend muchj grace to a fallne brother, rather than berate him as some other "mature" Christian leaders have. Peter Wagner goes as far at to not want to refer to the Lakeland Outpouring as the Lakeland Outporing anymore.
Usually when a fallen solider is seriously wounded, his comrades risk their own lives as they go onto the battle field to rescue their brother and carry them to safety. Shouldn't we do the same? Todd Bentley is not a "losrer", ut a brother in need of his Christian family to surround him with love, grace and prayer in hopes that he will listen to wise councel, and completely repent. Harsh, mean, judegmental words and curses spoken against him, may only incure further pain, suffering and damage.

I pray for a spirit of love and wisdom, grace and compassion to fall on all who are involved in counceling Todd.

jonathan · 1 year ago

Thank you Rick Joyner for your words of wisdom. Many leaders who went there do not want anything to do with Todd Bentley because it will bring reproach to their ministries. So they idolize their ministries, rather than helping and restoring a wounded soldier. I believe God will work a miracle through this mess. Let Revival carry, Fresh Fire is bigger than Todd Bentley it is the work of God!!!

BLESSEDLADY · 1 year ago

RICK JOINER IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW MATURE CHRISTAINS I HAVE A SAYING TO 90% OF THE CHURCH WORLD. WE HAVE "VEIWED "YOU LONG ENOUGH CLOSE THE CASKET AND BE BURIED YOU HAVE BEEN DEAD SO LONG YOU STINK I HAVE BEEN IN THE CHURCH 61 YEARS AND HAVE SEEN IT ALL . IT DOESNT MATTER THO WHAT I HAVE SEEN IT IS WHAT IS IN THE BIBLE. IT IS FULL OF FALLEN PEOPLE THAT ROSE UP AND I BELIEVE TODD WILL MATURE GREATLY FROM THIS AND GET BACK IN BATTLE. HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY SATAN WAS SO ANGRY THAT HE SLIPPED IN AND CAUSED DAVID TO NUMBER THE PEOPLE WHEN GOD TOLD HIM NOT TO? BECAUSE HE HAD JUST ANNILATED THE LAST OF THE EVIL GIANTS. SATAN HAD TO GO ON PROSAC. TODD WAS INFURATING SATAN. AND YES HE HAD PROBLEMS HE TOLD US ALL THE TIME WHERE WAS EVERYONE? BY THE WAY PICK UP A STONE AND PUT IT IN YOUR BILLFOLD.

RevBJ · 1 year ago

I recently stumbled across Todd Bentley's preaching and listened to him all day long for several days to soak myself in what I believed was great wonder from heaven. THEN I stumbled across the info about his 'fall'. You know, I really sat and cried. I lost, for a moment, my confidence. How could I be so stupid as to listen all day to someone preach who had cheated on his wife I told myself. Where is my discernment. Don't I even know the voice of God. I cried and cried out to God for an answer as to why my discernment was so off base. Then I began to discern my own motives for thinking. I realized I was judging Benley, from my own painful marriage(s). I was heaping him into the pile with all other men. And as the Lord began to minister life to my weary soul, I realized Bentley is a man, flesh and blood, like all of us. I thought about all I had learned listening to his podcasts the last few days and knew it was from the Spirit of God and not the flesh of Bentley. Then I was greatly encouraged, seeing Bentley like David, and like the apostles who teach us not to fight among ourselves, yet they did. We are earthen vessels through which flows the Holy Spirit. That is why the vessel needs to go through the firing process, so it can become solid, not leaching it's impurities into the liquid it contains. Yet, in all our fleshly leaching, it is not enough it can destroy the truth of God's word and workings. I returned to listen to Bentley, knowing he is a man, but knowing also the truth of God is from everlasting to everlasting and had balaam listened to the donkey in the beginning, he would not have suffered a busted leg. I will hear the word of God, no matter who speaks it to me, for it is not mans voice I listen for, but Gods. I learned a lot about myself from this, little judgemental christian that I am. I pray to be burnt from all this fleshy 'godliness'.